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187: Next Level Lawyer Founders Julio Oyhanarte & Gianfranco De Girolamo on Billion-View Content

Two immigrant lawyers turned social media pioneers share how a single TikTok experiment transformed their law firm into an eight-figure immigration practice with billions of video views. In this episode, Julio Oyhanarte and Gianfranco De Girolamo reveal how value-based marketing, simple smartphone videos, and a deep understanding of audience psychology built a massive following and a thriving legal brand. From mastering the hook that stops the scroll to balancing viral reach with real client conversions, they explain the exact strategies lawyers can use today to grow their firms through authentic, educational content. The lesson is clear: when lawyers stop guarding knowledge and start serving their audience, growth becomes inevitable.

Key Topics

02:53 – How social media unexpectedly became the engine behind massive law firm growth.

07:25 – What happens when a law firm is built by people who truly understand the client experience?

09:19 – Why today’s immigration environment is creating new challenges and anxieties for both clients and attorneys.

11:01 – The hidden emotional toll of immigration law and why law firm leaders are starting to address it.

13:46 – A marketing experiment during a global crisis leads to an unexpected breakthrough.

14:44 – The simple video structure that can stop the scroll and capture attention in seconds.

17:25 – How a moment in history accelerated the shift toward digital-first legal marketing.

19:02 – Why starting with the simplest tools can sometimes produce the biggest marketing results.

20:02 – The surprising reason giving away knowledge can attract more clients, not fewer.

22:25 – Why traditional “lawyer language” can hurt online engagement.

24:26 – Three types of content that drive audience growth in very different ways.

27:05 – The difference between viral views and the content that actually brings in clients.

30:55 – Small strategic changes that can dramatically improve video performance online.

34:25 – Why storytelling may be the most powerful tool lawyers have when creating content.

36:23 – Tune into The Golden Rapid Fire Questions for Julio and Gianfranco.

Resources Mentioned

Books

  1. The E-Myth Revisited – Michael E. Gerber – https://www.amazon.com/dp/0887307280
  2. How to Win Friends and Influence People – Dale Carnegie – https://www.amazon.com/dp/0671027034
  3. Unreasonable Hospitality – Will Guidara – https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593418573
  4. Traction – Gino Wickman – https://www.amazon.com/dp/1936661837
  5. Buy Back Your Time – Dan Martell – https://www.amazon.com/dp/059342297X

Podcasts

  1. Hidden Brain – Shankar Vedantam – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hidden-brain/id1028908750
  2. The Daily – The New York Times – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736
  3. The Game – Alex Hormozi – https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-game-with-alex-hormozi/id125472011
  4. Colin and Samir (YouTube) – https://www.youtube.com/@ColinandSamir

About our Guests:

Julio Oyhanarte is an immigration attorney and digital educator who founded Immigration TV, the world’s largest immigration law education platform, reaching more than 15 million followers and generating over 2.3 billion views across major social media platforms.

He is known for combining immigration law with digital media to make complex policies accessible through short-form educational content, helping immigrants worldwide better understand their rights and options. His work has been widely adopted by other attorneys and featured by outlets including CNN, Univision, and Telemundo.

Julio holds advanced degrees from UCLA School of Law, King’s College London, and Universidad Austral, and has contributed to thought leadership initiatives at Harvard and MIT. His impact has been recognized through numerous global awards across legal, technology, and digital media industries.

Gianfranco De Girolamo is a legal entrepreneur and one of the world’s most-followed immigration lawyers, with more than 15 million followers and over 2 billion video views across multilingual social platforms.

He co-owns multiple businesses, including three law firms — one reaching eight-figure revenue in under two years through strategic organic social media marketing without paid advertising. His approach has also fueled a nationwide referral network generating millions in case value for injured workers and clients.

Beyond legal practice, Gianfranco has built a global education business, selling thousands of online courses and developing a large contact database. He has spoken at Harvard and participated in MIT’s Delta v accelerator, where he focused on AI-driven legal solutions. Today, he helps legal teams implement AI systems, attract high-quality clients, and differentiate their brands through content, storytelling, and digital strategy.

https://nextlevellawyer.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/oyhanarte/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/gianfranco-de-girolamo-65257344/

About Jay Berkowitz:

Jay Berkowitz is a best-selling author and popular keynote speaker. Mr. Berkowitz managed marketing departments at: Coca-Cola, Sprint and McDonald’s Restaurants, and he is the Founder and CEO of Ten Golden Rules, a digital marketing agency specialized in working with attorneys.

Mr. Berkowitz is the author of Advanced Internet Marketing for Law Firms, The Ten Golden Rules of Online Marketing and 10 Free Internet Marketing Strategies that went to #1 on Amazon. He is the host of the Ten Golden Rules of Internet Marketing Webinar and Podcast. He has been profiled by the Wall Street Journal, The Business Journals and FOX Business TV.

Mr. Berkowitz was selected for membership as a TITAN for Elite Digital Marketing Agencies, he is the recipient of a SOFIE Award for Most Effective use of Emerging Media, and a Special BERNAY’s Award.

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